I keep joining squads and when I ask the wine split someone says "Free wine". That's cool,right? Then they mention they get molds and books. I'm not talking about a tabbed run, just a plain BH.

This isn't free wine, it's trading wine fee for the drops. Many of you may remember a time when people made farming squads for books, offering free wine and 50-200k each person to farm an instance for molds or books. Anything from Cape of Tauran in BH69 up to books in BH89 and BH99. Now "free wine" means we are a farming squad that doesn't get paid?

90% of the reason I do BH Abaddon is for the book drops. Then after paying 30k to tele in and buffing the squad I ask what the split is, and they say "free, I get books and molds". When I tell them I'd rather pay they refuse to trade. My choice is find another squad and waste the 30k from stoning or do my BH with no chance of getting a book. To me, this is nothing more than scamming. "Free" wine means the winer has a chance at books worth 40+ mil. Granted books are rare but often 1 book can pay a profit on multiple runs with no book drop.

I have seen quite a few people quit squad over this. I always do, or offer to pay and if I get book I keep but if the other 5 get a book winer keeps. To me its a scam that they don't tell us, then refuse to trade. What does the rest of PWI think?

Well, you can always politely ask everyone to change their broadcasts to "wined for drops" or just deal with it. If you want to farm for books make the wines yourself or offer to buy it at the end. BH100 wine rules are normally different from lower leveled BHs, you either adapt or wine it yourself.

the person that wined has always gotten the drops unless they say they dont want them

if they foot the bill for the wines they deserve the drops

simple remedy to this is ask when ya first get invited and before you port in...simple fix and no cost to you

I've seen this "I wined the instance but I get the drops" alot.

To me its a fair compromise. I don't have to spend 200k buying wines and trying to get money from people, nor do I have to pay 30-50k for a spot in the squad. Also, books and molds rarely drop when I'm in a squad, I'm bad luck >:3.

I do bounty hunts entirely to get the bh rewards, experience for my lower alts and mysterious chips for my lvl 100 alt.

If you don't like this new trend of people asking for books/molds in exchange for free wine, then you can buy wines yourself and world chat something like. " BH abbadon 40k per spot, whatever you get you keep"

I absolutely stink at getting money from people (had a few times people forgot their money or afked until it got wined anyways). So the free wine but I keep drops is fun for me.

Apart from the fact that the whole freaking world knows about this:

What do you get 'payd' for his uberlow chance of a book? You get your BH done for free

If you don't wanna do it this way, don't reply to 'free wine' squads. or just ask in advance

Winer has not always gotten drops unless they tabbed also.

And alot of times I'll make my own squad and either offer free wine (random drops) or 30k each. Don't see how paying 200k for wine entitles you to 20 million coin books.

And I always ask in advance, most people avoid saying it until you've ported in, stood around for 15 minutes waiting for them to get there, and they've wined.

Dont like it then wine it yourself. I've never once seen a book drop in aba or sot. And ill gladly not pay, a 1% chance at anywhere from a 5 to 30 mil coin book isnt a good investment, when youre paying 200k a run that is.

If they wanted something in return they should have never called it "free" in the WC. Tell them this and offer to pay your share of the wine.

They obviously are trying to pull a fast one if they wait till you are already inside to add an extra condition. If they were truly entitled to drops from "free" wine they would have never saw a need to say anything about it after you joined.



The chance is 10%

wines cost around 200k, books cost alot more, but books drop pretty rarely. i think its fine if someone will pay the wine cost for everyone and get books and molds(which are npc food nowadays). ive been doing for awhile now, and until today, have never gotten a book before.
if u dont want squad to be like that, you can always make your own squad like i do, or even make your own "free wine but drops to yourself" squad, but i agree, advertising free wine, but not saying drops to me, is unfair

It really shouldn't matter to you. Since the only thing you're paying for is your tele in, you'll easily make that money back through DQ drops or other random gear. It's not like they're asking for everything, they just want what they're paying for.

If you paid for a BH Lunar run, all 3mil of it, would you want everyone to keep what they get? Not really.