What game have you been playing?

"Free wine" means they get the drops 90% of the time. You seem to think you are wasting money teleporting, but are doing so with the expectation of a free lunch, as it were. That someone else is paying wine and letting you all keep random drops.

Solution is simple -

1)If in doubt, take 2 seconds to ask the squad leader, as this would be faster than rushing to a tele stone, paying, going in, and then asking.

2)Form your own 'free wine' BH's and keep drops random.

3)Form your own BH and charge for wine


These people are not scamming you. They are not even guaranteed to get anything good. They are offering full payment of the run, so you can get your BH for free (yes free, as you will be keeping DQ and gear drops to cover the uber-expensive tele fee/repairs), and they get a marginal chance at a good skill book or mold.
This has been a way of doing BH's...since BH's came out. Seriously man.......you are fully expecting a fully, free paid BH, and complain when it isn't?

Watch the WC's as to how squads are formed :

"Forming BH Abaddon, free wine" - this most commonly refers to the winers keeping the books/molds.

"Forming BH Abaddon, free wine/drops" - this is commonly specified because most people are aware of the above.

I love the free wine offer cause I've never seen anything drop in bh89 yet - admittedly I havent done that many. One run the payer get a wizzy book worth 50k if they were lucky.

Im also pretty sure I've seen another thread where calculations were done and the rarity of drops in bh89 means its more profitable to get those books through tokens and the boutique anyway.

They wine for drops.......the chance of a GOOD drop actually happening is very slim. They person wining the instance for free is taking the gamble of getting nothing good at all. So why the hell complain when you get a free BH run? After all you do have a BH in there right???? So it's not like you're there just to help them get drops Right??? You're also there for your own reason as well, I see it as the person who wined would like to gamble to see if they get lucky on drops. Also I've never been in a Split wine Abba/SoT squad. I've either wined it myself for drops or someone else wines it. lol

Lol, so the bh reward doesn't count as a pay to you? That's why I prefer to solo bh, so I can avoid people like you

I did my fair share of free wined BH 10x a long time ago, before the book and mold rate was reduced, also, remember that the bosses there DO have a level (Like, 97 or something, too lazy to login and check) and with the 104s and 105s being rather common nowdays, they reduce the drop rate even more.

I am glad I got my Demon Stone Barrier and a couple of expensive veno books back then, but that is just me, I still buy the wines most of the time and do it just to get the slim chance of a book + avoid the severe pain in the *** of asking everyone for their monies and getting the "SL is on" answer.

That or I just do it with my friends.

"Free wine" has been 3 stars/molds/whatever else is valuable goes to the winer for as long as i can remember. They are in essence buying the instance when they wine it, and allowing you to get your bh done for free. Since it's their instance, it's obviously going to be their drops.

"Free wine, free drops" means that the person doesn't expect the drops either.

"Free wine" just means that you don't have to pay a wine split.

That's been the terminology for a very long time. Heck, the winer getting the drops makes more sense than the tabber, since tabbers haven't done anything special to get those tabs and the rep is worth what like 10k? Whereas it's like 200k for wine. If you want the drops form your own free wine squad and keep the drops for yourself or only go in squads that advertize a fee for the wine. It's really that simple.

Its pretty common practise for whomever wined the bh to get the good drops.

This is called gambling. Also, what books drop from Peachblossom that are worth 40m+?

I quoted this paragraph because I take exception to it. From the looks of things, you are decrying others for what you perceive to be greed but you wish to pay even less than the winer is paying with a chance at getting what you call "a chance at books worth 40+ mil". I hope other people noted here the double standard you're applying here to even complain about others doing this.

If you wanted a truly fair run, you would have an equal split, and if any book drops, sell it and the money would be split evenly amongst the squad. I don't see that in your post as an option. I call shenanigans.

This practice has been going on for quite some time, people understand that the person might get a book valued over 10m in coins (chances are substantially low during non-2x if they even get a book it's this much in value) and they are okay with that. Person incurs a cost of 200-350k and 90%+ won't get a book. The last several books I've seen have been sage focused mind which sold for 3m, demon drake's ray, which sold at 1m or less, and sage bubble of life which sold at 8m. I have to say by the odds of it, one should hope to get a book of insane value to offset the cost. If they were truly trying to offset and purely go on profit, they would set the squad to "Free" and demand to pick up every single drop from Mountain's Finger, Dracoboa, and Peachblossom.