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i have made this to show the full list of the sageVSdemon skills of wizards, without making anything wrong. (taken from ecatomb, correct me if im wrong)
Red Text: fire based skills
Blue Text: water based skills
Brown Text: earth based skills
Bold Grey Text: etc.
Pyrogram
Sage: 20% for +30 chi
Demon: channeling=1.2 secs.
Personal: The demon version could use if you are a timing freak, but the sage version is pretty nice.
Pyroshell
Sage:+150% fire res (not 120%); +12 hp regen
Demon:HP regen=15 (not 12); +120% fire res
Personal: Demon could use if you have HP issues, while the Sage version could use if you have worser HP issues
Crown of Flame
Sage: 6546.95 damage over 15 secs (436 each second)
Demon: 5693 damage over 12 secs (474 each second)
Personal: clearly seen that demon pwns here. much more DPS.
Divine Pyrogram
Sage: enemy also loses 20% fire res
Demon: channeling=2.5 secs (not 3)
Personal: Demon could use for timing freaks, while the Same version lets you sneak in more damage with your fire skills ;) pretty obvious sage owns here.
The Dragon's Breath
Sage: 20% chance to stun
Demon: 25% to gain 500 HP
Personal: EDIT: the stunner might help a bit while zhenning with this skill, amonsgt healing yourself 500 HP. presonally, 500 hp isn't a too reliable amount, so i guess sage won
Will of the Pheonix
Sage: cooldown=7 secs (not 8)
Demon: increases the AoE of the skill by 50%
Personal: This time the Sage version is for timing freaks. demon won here.
Emberstorm
Sage: reduces damage taken by 25%
Demon: 50% chance to stun for 3 secs
Personal: i hate emberstorm. its simply a suicide bomb. it would be rather a joke wasting money just on getting any book of this.... no desicion here. period.
Blade Tempest
Sage: 50% chance to cast with only 1 spark
Demon: 50% chance to cancel current skill of target.
Personal: EDIT: from one side the sage version could let you sneak in another ulti or sumffin, while the demon version could backup a Barb/Fist BM in HH. just around 24 attacks wasted from the enemy, or double samage. sage won
Fire Mastery
Sage: +25% fire dmg (not 20%)
Demon: +1% critrate.
Personal: Obviously sage owns here, unless you need the crit for a special reason.
Gush
Sage: slow effect(8)+1 second
Demon: +600 water damage
Personal: i hate it when they say "extra damage" because it always gets decreased, but in this case 600 damage is a bit less than decent, while just 1 more sec of slow. sage could save your *** in 1v1s but demon could just give you the dmg to kill the creep b4 he approaches, so demon won.
Glacial Embrace
Sage: 150% Water res (not 120%); +12 mp regen
Demon: +15 mp regen (not 12); + 120% water res
Personal: just like in Pyroshell.
Morning Dew
Sage: 10% chance to fully heal.
Demon: +600 hp healed over 9 secs.
Personal: 10% isn't so reliable, but you have to admit full health is a pretty awsome thing if you are low on it. i see a tie here, again its up to you.
Frostblade
Sage: 30 min duration (not 15)
Demon: +50% Water dmg (not 40%)
Personal: Demon owns here if you're fine about spamming it every quarter an hour.
Glacial Snare
Sage: 20% water res for target
Demon: 2.1 sec channel (not 2.5)
Personal: Demon is for timers, while Sage is for damagers. sage won
Black Ice Dragon Strike
Sage: 50% chance to increase cirtrate by 30%(!!!) for 10 secs
Demon: 20% chance to cast without a spark
Personal: Nobody will argue about this one. sage version pwns ***.
Water Mastery
Sage: +25% water dmg (not 20%)
Demon: +1% critrate.
Personal: just like Fire Mastery.
Hailstorm
Sage: doubles the damage if freezing suceeds.
Demon: 50% chance to freeze (not 33%)
Personal: hailstorm is a stupid skill from the first place, which used RARELY for its freezng effect. no decision.
Stone Rain
Sage: 1.6 sec channeling (not 2)
Demon: 20% chance to stun target for 5 secs
Personal: Demon won here. sage is just for timing freaks.
Stone Barrier
Sage: +150% earth res (not 120%); +120% pdef
Demon: +150% pdef (not 120%); +120% earth res
Personal: Demon version comes out more balanced here, so i guess it won.
why it won? because always stacking what you have comes out useless if the other one is tiny.
Pitfall
Sage: 20% speed to target (not 15%); +15% chance to freeze
Demon: 33% chance to freeze (not 15%); 15% speed to target
Personal: Both %'s aren't so reliable, but the demon version gives a bigger add. demon won
Sandstorm
Sage: accuracy effect(10)+5 secs
Demon: +1.2k earth dmg
Personal: Just like Gush, exept that maybe more would consider sage is better.
Force of Will
Sage: +3m AoE
Demon: (20)2 channeling
Personal: the sage version could cause madness in TW.
Mountain's Seize
Sage: 50% chance to cast without a spark
Demon: (30)+5 range
Personal: this isn't an ulti you are going to use, since its dissapointing. rather idiotic to invest a book on this in the first place. no decision.
Earth Mastery
Sage: +25% earth dmg (not 20%)
Demon: +1% critrate
Personal: just like Fire Mastery
NOTE: when looking down at all masterys in total, its +15% dmg on fire/water/earth for sage, against 3% crit for demon. if the critrate of demon works with all spells, it could be rather badass. but ionno.
Distance Shrink
Sage: (20)10 chi cost
Demon: (30)+5m teleport
Personal: EDIT: sage owns this. its +1/2 (sage) against +1/6 (demon). so it comes out like this:
20 chi cost for +60m for sage, or 40 chi cost for +70m for demon. (all 2 times). it would be rather idiotic to invest another 20 chi for just another 10m, while you can use that for 60.
Wellspring Quaff
Sage: +100% Matk for 15 secs.
Demon: 20% channeling time for 15 secs.
Personal: Demon could let you spam skills better, while sage could make the numbers of the dmg more spammed XD. i guess sage won here.
Overall: i think that actually sage won in the overall. there shouldnt be any too big chi issues when you have chi pots with you, so you could just do the damage to kill b4 you get killed ;)
Sage: 15
Demon: 8
Ties/Undecided: 3
NOTE: i haven't mentioned some skills here, because they have no Hell/Heaven versions, so dont take it out wrong.
Red Text: fire based skills
Blue Text: water based skills
Brown Text: earth based skills
Bold Grey Text: etc.
Pyrogram
Sage: 20% for +30 chi
Demon: channeling=1.2 secs.
Personal: The demon version could use if you are a timing freak, but the sage version is pretty nice.
Pyroshell
Sage:+150% fire res (not 120%); +12 hp regen
Demon:HP regen=15 (not 12); +120% fire res
Personal: Demon could use if you have HP issues, while the Sage version could use if you have worser HP issues
Crown of Flame
Sage: 6546.95 damage over 15 secs (436 each second)
Demon: 5693 damage over 12 secs (474 each second)
Personal: clearly seen that demon pwns here. much more DPS.
Divine Pyrogram
Sage: enemy also loses 20% fire res
Demon: channeling=2.5 secs (not 3)
Personal: Demon could use for timing freaks, while the Same version lets you sneak in more damage with your fire skills ;) pretty obvious sage owns here.
The Dragon's Breath
Sage: 20% chance to stun
Demon: 25% to gain 500 HP
Personal: EDIT: the stunner might help a bit while zhenning with this skill, amonsgt healing yourself 500 HP. presonally, 500 hp isn't a too reliable amount, so i guess sage won
Will of the Pheonix
Sage: cooldown=7 secs (not 8)
Demon: increases the AoE of the skill by 50%
Personal: This time the Sage version is for timing freaks. demon won here.
Emberstorm
Sage: reduces damage taken by 25%
Demon: 50% chance to stun for 3 secs
Personal: i hate emberstorm. its simply a suicide bomb. it would be rather a joke wasting money just on getting any book of this.... no desicion here. period.
Blade Tempest
Sage: 50% chance to cast with only 1 spark
Demon: 50% chance to cancel current skill of target.
Personal: EDIT: from one side the sage version could let you sneak in another ulti or sumffin, while the demon version could backup a Barb/Fist BM in HH. just around 24 attacks wasted from the enemy, or double samage. sage won
Fire Mastery
Sage: +25% fire dmg (not 20%)
Demon: +1% critrate.
Personal: Obviously sage owns here, unless you need the crit for a special reason.
Gush
Sage: slow effect(8)+1 second
Demon: +600 water damage
Personal: i hate it when they say "extra damage" because it always gets decreased, but in this case 600 damage is a bit less than decent, while just 1 more sec of slow. sage could save your *** in 1v1s but demon could just give you the dmg to kill the creep b4 he approaches, so demon won.
Glacial Embrace
Sage: 150% Water res (not 120%); +12 mp regen
Demon: +15 mp regen (not 12); + 120% water res
Personal: just like in Pyroshell.
Morning Dew
Sage: 10% chance to fully heal.
Demon: +600 hp healed over 9 secs.
Personal: 10% isn't so reliable, but you have to admit full health is a pretty awsome thing if you are low on it. i see a tie here, again its up to you.
Frostblade
Sage: 30 min duration (not 15)
Demon: +50% Water dmg (not 40%)
Personal: Demon owns here if you're fine about spamming it every quarter an hour.
Glacial Snare
Sage: 20% water res for target
Demon: 2.1 sec channel (not 2.5)
Personal: Demon is for timers, while Sage is for damagers. sage won
Black Ice Dragon Strike
Sage: 50% chance to increase cirtrate by 30%(!!!) for 10 secs
Demon: 20% chance to cast without a spark
Personal: Nobody will argue about this one. sage version pwns ***.
Water Mastery
Sage: +25% water dmg (not 20%)
Demon: +1% critrate.
Personal: just like Fire Mastery.
Hailstorm
Sage: doubles the damage if freezing suceeds.
Demon: 50% chance to freeze (not 33%)
Personal: hailstorm is a stupid skill from the first place, which used RARELY for its freezng effect. no decision.
Stone Rain
Sage: 1.6 sec channeling (not 2)
Demon: 20% chance to stun target for 5 secs
Personal: Demon won here. sage is just for timing freaks.
Stone Barrier
Sage: +150% earth res (not 120%); +120% pdef
Demon: +150% pdef (not 120%); +120% earth res
Personal: Demon version comes out more balanced here, so i guess it won.
why it won? because always stacking what you have comes out useless if the other one is tiny.
Pitfall
Sage: 20% speed to target (not 15%); +15% chance to freeze
Demon: 33% chance to freeze (not 15%); 15% speed to target
Personal: Both %'s aren't so reliable, but the demon version gives a bigger add. demon won
Sandstorm
Sage: accuracy effect(10)+5 secs
Demon: +1.2k earth dmg
Personal: Just like Gush, exept that maybe more would consider sage is better.
Force of Will
Sage: +3m AoE
Demon: (20)2 channeling
Personal: the sage version could cause madness in TW.
Mountain's Seize
Sage: 50% chance to cast without a spark
Demon: (30)+5 range
Personal: this isn't an ulti you are going to use, since its dissapointing. rather idiotic to invest a book on this in the first place. no decision.
Earth Mastery
Sage: +25% earth dmg (not 20%)
Demon: +1% critrate
Personal: just like Fire Mastery
NOTE: when looking down at all masterys in total, its +15% dmg on fire/water/earth for sage, against 3% crit for demon. if the critrate of demon works with all spells, it could be rather badass. but ionno.
Distance Shrink
Sage: (20)10 chi cost
Demon: (30)+5m teleport
Personal: EDIT: sage owns this. its +1/2 (sage) against +1/6 (demon). so it comes out like this:
20 chi cost for +60m for sage, or 40 chi cost for +70m for demon. (all 2 times). it would be rather idiotic to invest another 20 chi for just another 10m, while you can use that for 60.
Wellspring Quaff
Sage: +100% Matk for 15 secs.
Demon: 20% channeling time for 15 secs.
Personal: Demon could let you spam skills better, while sage could make the numbers of the dmg more spammed XD. i guess sage won here.
Overall: i think that actually sage won in the overall. there shouldnt be any too big chi issues when you have chi pots with you, so you could just do the damage to kill b4 you get killed ;)
Sage: 15
Demon: 8
Ties/Undecided: 3
NOTE: i haven't mentioned some skills here, because they have no Hell/Heaven versions, so dont take it out wrong.
Last edited by eppc; 10242009 at 12:10 AM.
# 2
10172009, 11:01 AM
I disagree with some interpretation. But personally I going with sage.
# 3
10172009, 11:02 AM
based on preference.
gtfo.
"Amour is better suited to rainbow text, because he is a classy lady."  Nakhimovgtfo.
# 4
10172009, 11:10 AM
true, but its not BIASED prefference. learn to read dumbass
could you tell WHERE exactly you disagree to improve the guide? ty
could you tell WHERE exactly you disagree to improve the guide? ty
# 5
10172009, 11:13 AM
No, the whole argument of Sage vs Demon.
It doesn't matter how good something is if you don't like it.
Play what you want, not what people tell you to.
(PS baddie hell mages )
"Amour is better suited to rainbow text, because he is a classy lady."  NakhimovIt doesn't matter how good something is if you don't like it.
Play what you want, not what people tell you to.
(PS baddie hell mages )
# 7
10172009, 11:26 AM
Oh my, you guys are mean. You make venos look tame in their Demon v. Sage discussions. (And most wizzies I know go Demon. They say for better damage. I don't know but I trust them. My wizzy is only L39.)
# 8
10172009, 11:32 AM
Quote:
Its not a guide it does basically the same thing ecatomb does. It tells u what each skill does....

Quote:
...(And most wizzies I know go Demon. They say for better damage. I don't know but I trust them. My wizzy is only L39.)

2) OR they are just pathetic noobs (by my opinion ;))
by the list it seems that sage has the overall better thingies, including higher damage.
in this case its Demon: fully attack; Sage: balanced, more towards attack.
in this case the balacned comes out better.
Last edited by eppc; 10172009 at 11:38 AM.
# 9
10172009, 11:39 AM
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Emberstorm
Sage: reduces damage taken by 25% Demon: 50% chance to stun for 3 secs Personal: Again, its up to you. i see a tie here. Blade Tempest Sage: 50% chance to cast with only 1 spark Demon: 50% chance to cancel current skill of target. Personal: Sage lets you save that spark, while the Demon version could use you a reason to shine in HH. demon won. Glacial Snare Sage: 20% water res for target Demon: 2.1 sec channel (not 2.5) Personal: Demon is for timers, while Sage is for damagers. sage won Hailstorm Sage: doubles the damage if freezing suceeds. Demon: 50% chance to freeze (not 33%) Personal: 1/3 hits to freeze + Double damage if suceeds against 1/2 hits freeze + normal damage. sage looks really awsome if those 33% could use for you. Stone Barrier Sage: +150% pdef (not 120%); +120% earth res Demon: +150% earth res (not 120%); +120% pdef Personal: Sage version comes out more balanced here, so i guess it won. why it won? because always stacking what you have comes out useless if the other one is tiny. Sandstorm Sage: accuracy effect(10)+5 secs Demon: +1.2k earth dmg Personal: Just like Gush, exept that maybe more would consider sage is better. Force of Will Sage: +3m AoE Demon: (20)2 channeling Personal: the sage version could cause madness in TW. 
# 10
10172009, 11:43 AM
The sage/demon wins is just horrible in here... Things to note.. all the sage ults > demon ults.. the masteries should be a tie... demon emberstorm is amazing, instant 50% chance aoe stun (how could that be a tie?).. undine doesn't stack with the res on D.pyro and G.Snare for sage.. you don't use pyroshell for hp (as a matter of fact, you probably won't use it for anything at 9x).. half cost distance shrink is amazing for sage.. hailstorm is obviously better for demon(only reason u use this weak skill is for chance to freeze), and stone rain/pyro should be ties. Demon stone barrier OBVIOUSLY won.. And keep in mind that the sage FoW only has a 3m aoe... the enemy has got to be like standing on top of themselves to use it... so I'd still give that a tie. That was just a quick skim... although I'm sure I didn't address all the comments you have there.
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